Fr. Fr. Almost from the beginning of the book, Fr. Here's the link to the Revelation 7 episode that he mentions: ancientfaith.com/podcasts/wholecounsel/revelation_7_1_8. [Laughter]. Fr. So the first covering that happens, the reason this is done on this day, as weve mentioned in previous episodes, is that this is the day that Yahweh chose to appear visibly in the holy of holies. Bible Hacking with Dr. Stephen de Young - YouTube Fr. According to the transliterations of the ancient literary corpus of the Near Eastern and Western Civilizations, evil has been extant since the beginning of time: it arguably reared its head in the first book of the Old Testament (Gen. 3.1, 4.8, 6.1-4); Mesopotamian literature, antedating the Pentateuch by at least several centuries, describes wars, the wraths of the gods, and a tyrannical king; and, originating millennia earlier, Sumerian poems depict spiritual anguish in the afterworld and tribal warfare. God Is a Man of War: The Problem of Violence in the Old Testament Stephen: I know you really want Goat Week to be a thing. About Fr. The Religion of the Apostles presents the Orthodox Christian Church of today as a continuation of the religious life of the . Fr. Fr. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Because of this sort of schism in the way we bizarrely celebrate scholarship of the New Testament from the Old Testament. Stephen: Well, this is So, Hanukkah is the re-dedication of the Temple. Stephen: So he does this sin-offering, and then the sort of Day of Atonement ritual proper begins. I can tell you all about Arrakis, the desert planet; I can tell you all about Gallifrey; I can tell you all about Nimbus [III], the planet of galactic peace. Stephen: Yeah, but were not just playing the Nope card. Fr. 190 Court St, Charleston, WV 25301 | Phone: 304-346-0106 | Email: office@stgeorgecharleston.org. In Hebrews 2:14, it says that inasmuch as the children have taken part of the flesh and blood, he himself likewise shared in the same, so this is talking about why Christ became incarnate: Why did Christ become incarnate? Stephen: Yeah, you could pretty safely use the same list every year, because all of that had happened again. Facebook These studies were recorded live and include questions from his audience. Boom. Andrew: Yeah, so there is some overlap there, but, yeah, its not a perfect, total, categorical overlap. Collective Identity and Collective Memory: Deuteronomy and the Deuteronomistic History in Their Context, eds. [Laughter] Yeah, not all goats are the same in every reference in Scripture, but Fr. Fr. [Laughter]. Fr. Andrew: I know. The Lord of Spirits | Ancient Faith Ministries Journal of Biblical Literature 106 (1987), pp. Fr. The only other place where the phrase for the whole world, or the phrase the whole world, tou olou kosmou, occurs in 1 John is in chapter 5, the verse we read: The whole world lies under the power of the evil one. So if you want to interpret the whole world in 1 John 2:2 as referring to the people in the world, then St. John is saying that all the people in the world lie under the power of the evil one, which would include himself and the Church, and that makes no sense in the context of the epistle where hes clearly distinguishing between two groups of people. He heals them, and thats how Matthew interprets that passage from Isaiah 53. Wow. Fr. I think weve seen tonight how a lot of discussions of atonement are based on reading backwards, so you start with a developed theological idea, read it back into the New Testament, and then from there back into the Old Testament, instead of what we hopefully did with reasonable success tonight, which is start in the Old Testament and read forward and see how things unfold. Stephen shows convincingly that throughout the Old Testament, God was understood to be more than one person, and this was never a point of dispute during the Judaism of the Second Temple Period. . They are not sitting down and having hors doeuvres with Azazel. So thats what were going to do now. And so when the lots are cast, one of these two goats is designated as the goat for Yahweh, and the other goat is designated as the goat for Azazel. Stephen De Young, goes back to what I explained earlier: our understanding of the Judaism of Jesus day has been tinctured by Rabbinic Judaism, which we anachronistically assume reflects the tradition of the Pharisees. Well, okay, so theres a little bit of backstory here, and again, Luke, using this detail about Christ being on the road to Emmaushes actually on the road to Emmaus, but everyone knows what Emmaus is famous for. Five-ish Angelic Falls and Three Human Falls - Copious Flowers Also considered is the possibility that the Biblical Nimrod, a descendant of Ham, was the Sumerian king Gilgamesh, and that he also was genetically Nephilim. Were going to see, to tip our hatsspoilersthat in the New Testament, Christ is both goats. Stephen De Young, and Ancient Faith Ministries, Fr. Andrew: Alas. Andrew: Leave reviews and ratings, but, most importantly, share this show with a friend whom you know is going to love it. I mean, is is a good goat and a bad goat? Stephen: Right. This is like Joseph in Genesis. Instead of avoiding or invalidating problem passages out of discomfort, Fr. The lake of fire that gets mentioned in St. Matthews gospel and in the book of Revelation has no Old Testament precedent, but the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels, as St. Matthews gospel says, is taken directly from the Enochic literature. Stephen: And not just in the way that all words are made up; its very deliberately made up, very deliberately invented to describe something that there wasnt really another good word in the English language for. Yeah, so heres the thing, that the King James Bible translates this word, when its used for, Fr. Product details Publisher : Ancient Faith Publishing (October 18, 2021) Language : English Paperback : 160 pages ISBN-10 : 1955890048 ISBN-13 : 978-1955890045 Item Weight : 7.5 ounces [Laughter] But when hands were laid in sacrificial rituals Its the goat for Azazel where it says he lays hands on it and then pronounces the sins. [Laughter]. Hes wrapped about with a scarlet, Fr. Fr. Thats okay. Fr. Now the thing that has been done in part is now being done totally in full. Fr. Kuehn, S., Monster. Stephen: Because that kind of response kind of begs the question, where its sort of like: Well, okay, what is St. Matthew talking about? Fr. Stephen: Right. Fr. Rather, the doctrine of God being multiple hypostases was already widely accepted even before the incarnation. Fr. They are not just a narrative; theyre narrative theology. Fr. And people may have heard of the mostly later tradition where theyd tie a rope to the person, to the high priest, in case he wasnt so pure and he dropped dead and they had to drag him out. He is this desert spirit. So it was covering all of the commandments that had been broken, which was pretty much all of them. Fr. Fr. Fr. Andrew: [Laughter] That we always get! 1 John 2:1 talks about 1 John 2:1-2 is talking about the Day of Atonement. Theyre cursing him; hes taking away their sins. Amazon.com: Stephen De Young: books, biography, latest update So we have again in Leviticus 16 a fair amount of detail describing exactly whats going on. (more), Descending to Ascend: Prayer as Initiation Into Divine Judgment in the, Mind the Gap: First Principles and Popular Theology, Participants in the Altar: in I Corinthians 10:14-22, Energies of the Trinity: The Energies as Tripersonal Communion in Gregory Palamas, V. S. Soloviev and the Russian Roots of Personalism. Fr. We experience them in worship, we experience them in our interactions with other people when we show the love of God to them, we experience them in the peace we receive from God, in the actual forgiveness and healing we receive for our actual sins on a day-to-day basis. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Right, because if he saw him directly, hed die. All right, well, the third half is going to be the shortest half. Fr. Stephen: At the end of his trial, he says they wrap a scarlet robe about him, which is kind of a weird way to describe putting a robe on. Fr. Fr. We have Dan from New York, and he has a question specifically about the Day of Atonement ritual. [Laughter]. This review considers the claims and notes some basic yet fundamental level issues. So tonight were wrapping up this three-part series on sacrifice by talking about atonement. Stephen: And the next verse in 1 John, verse 13, says that the reason he killed Abel is that Abels works were good and Cains works were evil. They meant it to him for evil, but he meant it for good. The answer, according to Fr. Stephen: And all the Ethiopians will rejoice because theyre like: [Whispered] Weve got it!. Fr. Fr. Is it because its being offered to God? Its also the Roman soldiers who are doing these Day of Atonement things in St. Matthews gospel. Islam, in: Encyclopedia of the Bible and Its Reception (EBR), vol. Stephen: So hes seen in 1 Enoch, or the book of Enoch, when Azazel appears, Azazel is sort of the leader of the bad guys, the leader of the rebellious watchers, who are responsible for corrupting the line of Cain and leading them to destruction that results in the flood. And so then, logically enough, when you find this in its noun formthese same roots are used for both verbs and nouns and also for adjectiveswhen its a noun it means a cover or a covering. Like, when God said, Dont worship the goat-spirits, hes not saying, Now dont do the ritual I just gave you to dothat thats not worshiping the goat-spirits. Fr. Foiled again! Emmaus isnt mentioned anywhere else in the Bible except 1 Maccabees and St. Lukes gospel right here. Fr. Fr. Google Podcasts - The Whole Counsel Stephen: Right. Andrew: Here we go. Fr. Fr. But if we understand purification just in this kind of reduced sense, without all of this atonement imagery from the Day of Atonement ritual and then the eschatological Day of Atonement, then we can tend to look at Christian life as a kind of self-help program. Fr. The answer, according to Fr. Fr. So then what does the actual ritual itself look like? In addition to chapters on the Trinity and atonement, the book features sections on the powers of the spiritual world, the saints, creation, Israel, and the law of God. Fr. Fr. Not only is that a bizarre assumption, that theres no reason to believe is trueeven if it was true, theres no reasons to believe that we as humans could understand how it works from Gods sidebut the dangerous thing is, again, not just being wrong, but how this affects our life in Christ. Andrew: There you go: the Day of the Covering. Fr. Andrew: So this is not a sacrifice in the meal sense that weve been talking about. Email Newsletter, Terms of Use Privacy Policy Permissions Content Disclaimer. Hes not sacrificed to anybody. Theres built in an understanding beforehand. In a passage drawing on his readers experiences of Jewish and of pagan ritual sacrifice, St. Paul emphasizes the continuity of the Holy Eucharist with these familiar, though now superseded, practices. Stephen: Right, and as a quick note because you said it quickly, Yom Kippurthe Kippur comes from kefir.. Well, weve looked at this one particular ritual, and now we know what it does, and it does the same thing in us, for us, around us, throughout the whole cosmos. Fr. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was carried to him by the majestic glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,. Well say what gets done with it first, then well talk a bit about Azazel. Fr. Andrew: Yeah! So hes sort of the main motivator of that. And so I think its really critical that we understand that atonement, as the Scripture depicts it, is not some kind of system, where this is how you get saved, and it works like this: sins get for instance, in one version: sins get transferred from you to Christ! So when we look at the Day of Atonement we have to start with the fact that it is doing something different than the sin-offerings are doing. Bible Studies - Saint George Orthodox Christian Cathedral Stephen: Thats the indictment thats sort of read over Azazel before he at this eschatological Day of Atonement. No sins are put on this goat that is being killedwell talk about that more in a minute. You could just call your band Mercy Seat and be like, Were a cover band, just like the title says.. Fr. Fr. Okay, so how is that related to what weve been talking about? Andrew: Yeah, thats cool. Stephen: So this isnt transactional, so its not an issue of, like, Oh, well, maybe there were some sins that got missed during the year, so were going to do this sort of catch-all Day of Atonement to pick up those ones that were missed. Those were being done perpetually to cover all of the sinning that was going on, that everyone knew was going on in Israel. When the book of Enoch lists what the different rebellious angelic beings taught to humans, what Azazel is listed as having taught are the same things that Tubal-cain in Genesis 4:2 because if theres anything people love more than Slavonic pseudepigrapha, its genealogies. Fr. Stephen is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog. This concerns the oft-neglected area of St. Paul's own personal practices of prayer and piety, and how this . So theres the Battle of Emmausand again, not Emmaus, Pennsylvaniabut yeah, so, okay, to give a little bit of background here, to make it bring it home for Pennsylvanians, it would be like saying, I was on the road to Gettysburg. Well, Gettysburg is a town and it has a Lutheran seminary there, but thats not what everyone remembers Gettysburg for. Stephen: Right, well, we cant hang that on all Protestants, but, yeah, sometimes. [Laughter]. The Whole Counsel of God: An Introduction to Your Bible: Stephen De Fr. Stephen: [Laughter] Nothing to do with thatas far as I know. This is. I hear you. Just read the I mean, yes, sometimes some passages are very difficult, require a lot of interpretation, but when the question is, What is ritually done with a goat? you could just open up Leviticus and read it. Im like, its: You have two goats And now theres going to be all these rumors: See? So weve got: I go out to my sheep. Richard Rohlin? This is just in Hebrew, especially, the word that means what it says; it means cover. And the Greek word thats being used is being used to pick up that meaning within a ritual context. And heres the problem; heres the problem with that: not only is that, I think, just incorrect, but it also makes it so that all the other waysas weve seen so many of themthat the ritual of the Day of Atonement is expressed in the New Testament and in the work of Christ, you miss a lot of that, because its been reduced to a system. Father Stephen De Young is the pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church (Antiochian) in Lafayette, Louisiana. I do I will say, I acknowledge the King James Bible has some errors in it, translation errorsand we just lost all of our KJV-only listeners the one. They have also referenced three human falls which Fr. When he says that Christs blood is going to be upon them and upon their children, thats a blessing! We talked a little bit about that. I have people who dont believe me about that, but you can look it up. Fr. [Laughter] So instead, now, this goat, this completely corrupt goat, has to go outside the camp, the city, outside, back out into the bad place, and its going to Azazel. [Laughter]. I hear you. And he isnt told, Dont call unclean what Ive created, or Dont call unclean what I tell you is clean, but: Do not call unclean what I have made clean.. I am an omni-nerd. I can describe to you the inner workings of countless fictional universes. Fr. Fr. We just walked through the Day of Atonement ritual, the goat for Yahweh, the goat for Azazel, and what those things mean. Andrew: Yeah, right, and it probably should be noted that that doesnt contradict what came before. Stephen: And so, yes, theres the figure, especially in the Apocalypse of Abraham, hes named Yahoel, this Angel of the Lord figure, who serves as the high priest for this eschatological Day of Atonement. Why is that aww! Andrew: That would be a long, long list. Stephen: But due to the frequency of the show, is it not actually Goat Fortnight? Stephen: Do you have to pay royalties now that you said that? It says that Christ is the atonement or the propitiation for our sins, not for ours only but also for the whole world. So, yeah, its literally the Day of AtoCovering. Fr. So sin brings the chaos in, or you could say it turns what has been made orderly and beautiful chaotic again. Fr. They would all say: the gospel of John and the epistle. Augh! Andrew: Okay, Matthew 8. Stephen: Yeah, and a solid 80% of kidding aside, the point you made about it being references to the Day of Atonement is again important. Stephen De Young discusses the first three verses of Revelation, Chapter 11. Disclaimers, Pauls Works of the Law in the Perspective of Second Century Reception, by Matthew J. Thomas A Review, John the Presbyter: Eusebius Imaginary Friend. Andrew Stephen Damick and Ancient Faith Radio, Dr. Jeannie Constantinou and Ancient Faith Radio, Fr. Photius, welcome to The Lord of Spirits podcast. Well, that is our show for today. If it read that way, then youre asking the natural question, which is what mediates between? Thank you so much! So what does it mean? He also discusses Chapter 10 in its entirety. Andrew: They are not, and most people who have breakfast are not breaking a fast. Facebook As modern Americans, these are important questions. Stephen: So the whole thing is burned. With the Day of Atonement ritual, theres two goats, a goat for Yahweh and a goat thats sent off to Azazel, but I thought in Matthew 25 it said that goats go to hell. But Israel knows the Day of Atonement ritual. So Wycliffe, who translates the very earliest English Biblewell, I should say [Sigh] the very earliest complete English Bible, [Laughter] because, you know, tip of the hat to Alfred the Great for translating portions of the gospels into Old English. Fr. That makes perfect sense. Stephen: Right, and you especially dont need to bring any livestock to the church. But all of the earliest usages of that word in this context, having anything to do with this, are Jewish writers using it to translate the Hebrew concept, which partially explains why, when the English translators got to the Greek word, they didnt really know what to do with it. Fr. Stephen: Right, the goat for Yahweh. Stephen De Young finishes his discussion about Romans Chapter 11. It sounds like were FBI profilers. And the rest of the show will be explaining that joke. Stephen has blogged about previously here as well. Ive got all these sheep. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, just list off the commandments. Maybe Fr. About Fr. Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, Richard Rohlin, and Ancient Faith Radio. Fr. Fr. But well get to that. [Laughter] I dont know. Hey, its the sin-goat!, Fr. Orthodoxy, The Early Church, and Second Temple Judaism (w/ Fr. Stephen I am so thankful to have found this podcast, which is a wonderful resource on content and context! These. Fr. It was dedicated with blood; now its purified again and made holy again with blood. Andrew: Yeah! Fr. Im Fr. Fr. Were the Nephilim Genetically Psychopathic? The Bible in a Year (with Fr. Stephen: Yes, but this is the biblical, actual Azazel, so Denzel Washington and John Goodman cannot help you. Stephen De Young The V. Rev. Stephen: Im Um, actually"ing you in real time. Andrew: [Laughter] Right, no, no, no, theres more. Remember, the blood of this goat is used to purify sacred space. Andrew: No, I dont think so, but yeah [Laughter] Hello, all of you Jonathan Pageau fans out there. I did believe the doctrine of the Trinity was in the OT, but in a latent or implicit form. But its the only is an adverb, not an adjective. Fr. The Book of Enoch: Scripture, Heresy, or What? Andrew: Yes, maybe well do that in a future episode. I appreciate it. I think sometimes people take 1, 2, and 3 John as being like these little bonus bits toward the end of the New Testament before we get to the big, crazy dream-vision at the end. Stephen: Yeah, and note that its not just Jews who are doing these Day of Atonement things. Its remembered as being the decisive battle of the American Late Unpleasantness. Fr. Fr. But firstand this is where the English language nerd in me comes leaping outlets talk about this English word, atonement. Okay, so, Fr. Stephen: Az is a goat. This has just not been my day. The Priest Shall Make Atonement - The Lord of Spirits - Ancient Faith Stephen: Yes, well, his most well-known work. Andrew: Yeah, so the Temple has to be reconsecrated; it has to be purified. Stephen: And these things that the evil one has wrought in the world are here in the world and need to be purged out, need to be purified, need to be atoned for in that sense, need to be removed, wiped away, blotted out. Stephen? Fr. Fr. Stephen De Young | Ancient Faith Ministries Stephen: Join us for our live broadcasts on the second and fourth Thursdays of the month at 7:00 p.m. Eastern, 4:00 p.m. Pacific. The Bible only specifies the heights of two people. So its not about me, or me and Fr. Just in case anyone wonders, I have not seen the film Fallen. Mike Schmitz), Let's Read the Gospels with Annie F. Downs, Fr. The Religion of the Apostles | Fr. Stephen De Young - YouTube Andrew: Yeah, so this is really cool, and its a really I mean, this is a major kind of transitional thing happening here, where, as youve mentioned a number of times, that the sacrificial system of the Old Testament is basically kind of a management system, managing sin, managing corruption, managing taint and death, and so that what we get in the Second Temple literature is, as you said, once and for all, that theres going to be a Great Day of Atonement, to end them all, so to speak: the ultimate, the fulfillment of all of them. He is the pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church (Antiochian) in Lafayette, Louisiana, and holds a PhD in Biblical Studies from Amridge University. Theyre not just saying and this is what happened next! She would therefore have passed her DNA to some of her children (especially to her son Canaan) and later descendants, so that individuals of large size and/or psychopathic behavior could therefore reappear later in history. I mean, that is just an overarching commandment of the whole Scripture: no idolatry, ever. This element of the eschatological Day of Atonement, that Azazel is finally defeatedits not just sending him back his sin while he continues to control the rest of the world out there, but hes done away with and disposed ofis, as we said Hebrews is going to be peppered all the way through here. So if you were to translate Azazel as the goat that goes away, then the other one becomes the goat that is who he is and makes things come into being. [Laughter] Like, it doesnt, Fr. Fr. Fr. . by Father Stephen De Young In response to what he viewed as not merely a malformation but a destruction of the Eucharist in Roman practice, John Calvin was dogmatic that the Eucharist is not a sacrifice. But he was particularly significant in the understanding of both Judaism of the Second Temple period and early Christianity as not only the first sinner, as we already talked about a little bit, but also as a teacher of sin. God Is a Man of War offers a fresh interpretation of Old Testament accounts of violence by exploring them through the twofold lens of Orthodox tradition and historical context. So how could the Jews who did not convert to Christianity still practice their faith? And what hes doing here is hes taking this idea of the purification of sacred space, so if we imagine that theres sort of this layer of darkness over the whole world and theres sort of this dome, a dome of light over Israel, over the camp in the wilderness, over Israel as a nation, over Judah, Judea, and thats being purified sort of under the dome, is being cleansed and purified and being kept pure. And then he also takes away the sins of the world, meaning the sins that the people commit; he takes away their sins. I dont say, I got up this morning and wrapped my clothes around me.. People have atonement theories. The Sons of God as a Polemic against Royal Immortality: A Philological and Literary Comparison of Genesis 6:14 and the Epic of Kirta, WHO 'FELL DOWN' TO OUR EARTH? So theres a whole bunch of things like that, where weve picked it up and we assume its there in the text, and it actually isnt when you go check. Ive seen that myself. Fr. Stephen: Yes, involving metallurgy for weapons of war and those kind of things. But completely wrong. Fr. Andrew: But we have two goats. Fr. Fr. Like, what did the altar do that it had to atone? So why isnt this more widely understood? Yes, yes, I do have a question, and it pertains to 1 John 2:2. Fr. Fr. because I know the Protestants like to interpret that as shifting their sins onto the animal so that it works with their penal substitution model. Stephen: was making this cloud so that he wouldnt actually see Yahweh when he appeared. Two ancient sites, the Pergamon Altar in Berlin, as well as Rujum el-Hiri in the Golan Heights in Israel, will be included to demonstrate the possibility that these fallen ones may be loosed upon mankind during the time of the Time of Jacobs Trouble on earth. Fr. Fr. So they rededicate the Temple, and although it didnt happen that time, when the tabernacle is dedicated, when the Temple was dedicated by Solomon, after everything is dedicated, after the blood is used to purify everything and consecrate everything, then the presence of God enters in as this fiery cloud. Fr. I will examine, of course, the passage itself, the terminology used therein, and the various translations. Stephen De Young's article, Here There Be Giants which, just as Farley's, was posted to the Ancient Faith Ministries website: "The V. Rev. Epiphanes? [Laughter]. Thats absolutely a blessing! This isnt just an intellectual maneuver; this is something we can experience and participate in in real time, and thats what Lent and Holy Week and Pascha are going to be all about. So St. Luke is doing this narratively, and Hebrews is just giving it to us theologically, explaining it to us. Fr. Fr. You guys know, right? Fr. One of them Im going to sacrifice, so that one we go and we lay hands on it to say: This is the sheep that were going to offer to God. Fr. Fr. Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second Century Okay, now we get to talk about one of my favorite placesEmmaus! Stephen: And its not, you know, some kind of sacred gold mined from the holy mountain. Fr. Thats another one of those things like the rope that happened later. Fr. Its a word thats core to our understanding of Christianity, and yet there are about as many theories of atonement as there are Christian groups. Stephen: Yes, so allow me to feed that a little bit. Atonement for the Whole World - The Whole Counsel Blog So theres two goats, right? Well, okay, lets talk about St. Matthew. They meant, at the time, was putting man and God together at one. That was the intention. I mean, people just. So, yeah, but that understanding of it is responsible for a lot of Western Christianity. You take it back.. It includes that, but the way that they tell the story is designed to teach you how Christ, in this case, is the fulfillment of what was given in the old covenant. Fr. Could that be the real AI apocalypse that we should be worried about? Indeed, under the Law, almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. That last part, of course, often gets quoted out of context. Andrew: Yeah, like when were serving liturgy, we turn the page in the book. Stephen: Weve talked about that theres kind of an anti-theosis that happens. Weve got a few things that we kind of need to sort of mention, and its interesting actually: the first thing thats on our list, which is in our notes, was something someone actually sent to me saying, Hey, you guys going to mention this? and thats the image of whats called the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53. Stephen De Young finishes up the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 12, and starts on Chapter 13.
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